How much does the average Sec'y/Treasurer earn?

[Skip Horner]

I got into a discussion with the manager at the bowling center where my league is, and I was trying to tell him that the "going rate" for being a league's secretary/treasurer is about 25 cents/bowler/week. He's trying to tell me "No way", so I figured I'd go right to the source...

I can understand if you don't want to post that, but if a few of you could list what you average per bowler per week, I'd be grateful.

Me? It works out to about 31 cents/bowler/week (I get a "fixed yearly rate", as opposed to a set value per bowler).

Thanks in advance.

[Lance Rasmussen]

For all the leagues I have done secretary work, it was 25 cents per bowler per week, except for our majors league, which was 40 cents per bowler, due to more financial work needed.

I was always expected to purchase the software our of my own earnings. Since I did league sheets for multiple leagues, it wasn't a big deal.

[Angel Zobel-Rodriguez]

I refuse a salary in my A/J leagues (which always stirs the "triple her salary" comments from the peanut gallery). Currently, I'm employed by the center--not for the actual hours I put in, but I just don't believe that I need a salary.

In my sport league, it's paid at $15 per bowler per season (summer same as winter). In the winter, it amounts to .45 cents per bowler per week. In the summer, quite a bit more. The real work for a league comes from right before the league to the first couple of weeks (confirming teams, league app, sanctioning, meeting to go over rules and then typing out suggested and approved changes, then it's quiet until the last night of league from counting out the prize fund and running sweeper. Weekly, I run the brackets at no charge to the league. The $5 collected from each bracket goes into a fund that gives the regular bracket participants free brackets on sweeper night. My husband takes the lane tapes every week, so that's a bonus as well.

I've never bowled anywhere where they pay per bowler per week, although I continue to see that's pretty common in other parts of the country. Secretary salaries here are usually $10 per bowler and some are creeping toward $12 and $13 and that's for the traditional 32-36 week league as well as the summer seasons. Mind you, most secretaries use the house to bank, the house does sheets, the house collects the league fees, and many houses even compile the league awards.

I think this thread would be even more valuable to secretaries if each stated what is expected of them by their leagues.

[Marti Murphy]

In my parts of the country - florida, tampa bay area - all the secys in my center are charging 50 cents per bowler, per night. Split 50/50 with treasurer if they are not doing that also. They buy their own program, print their own recap sheets and provide the center with a weekly backup of the league.
Some houses in the area are including the service with the price of bowling now at a lower rate, maybe 30 cents a night per bowler, and that seems to be the way to wave of the future down here.
Marty Murphy - Liberty Lanes

[Frank Goebel]

Per my league's by-laws, if a member serves as both secretary and treasurer, there are no dues paid all season. So the variance would be to what the weekly dues would be; last season was $17, so for a season would have been $544. It would have worked out to roughly 19 cents per bowler per night.

With each position being held by itself, the officer was responsible for paying only the prize fund portion of dues. Compensation was the cost of lineage. These numbers may seem low, but last season was $7.50 per night, 88 bowlers, or about 9 cents per bowler per night.

This year's lineage went to $8.55 per night...only 80 bowlers this year, so effective we're being paid 11 cents per bowler.

Note that no consideration is given for the size of the league in this case. In this neck of the woods it's paid more as a function of dues and/or lineage.

Now, for those that read my first post: It's up in the air how the league will compensate me. I really enjoy being secretary and I won't harp too much, but I'm not going to be on a team (at least not for awhile). But I'll be an available sub. In my league, subs pay $8 to bowl, so I'm guessing they'd waive that fee for me. (In fact, I think the treasurer would do it without prompting.) I'll have to wait and see. There needs to be worked out if we'll increase our weekly dues to absorb the lineage increase, or work with a smaller prize fund.

[Kerry Federer]

In our house, we provide that as a service to our league bowlers. We charge no extra for doing the work. BLS is interfaced with our scorers so the work is minimal (except at league beginning and league end). That way the cost is kept down and all the money above lane fees goes into the prize fund.

It all started years ago when I first bought BLS (version 3 I think) and I became secretary of a small league at no cost (trying to get it started). As I became proficient, I offered the services to the other leagues at no cost and the center paid for my supplies. I was helping out the center I worked at and we could keep more prize money in the funds.

When the center installed autoscoring, we then got the BLS/as and continued the process, still at no cost to the leagues. Leagues at the other houses around were paying their secretaries up to $700 for a 16 team league.

[Keith Chambers]

My "salary" varies by the league. I do the Adult/Youth league for free, my 26 team scratch league pays $10.00 per bowler, per season, and my 40 team mixed handicap league pays $.30 per bowler, per week, for 33 weeks (As part of the weekly league fees). Most of the handicap leagues in my home center (a military recreation center) pay their secretaries out of their weekly league fees and range from .30 to .50 per week. I am the only secretary using the BLS program, which makes the awards forms nearly effortless. I repeatily get comments on my forms, with all of the information printed versus other secretaries providing blank forms (usually a copy of a faxed form) for the bowler to fill in everything. One of my leagues is also a TNBA league, which has their own awards recognition program and requires a different set of award forms and some additional effort to ensure that all TNBA awards have been recognized. The center provides the recaps and standing sheets weekly.

[Lance Rasmussen]

Keith,

would your life be made a little easier of BLS could support TNBA?

Lance

[Angel Zobel-Rodriguez]

Keith,

Are you out of Admiral Robinson? The kids bowled there this summer for state tournament, and aside from having a little difficulty finding the actual building on the base, it was a gorgeous center.

[Tom Kelly]

I have two leagues, one mixed league is both sect/treasurer position, that pays .60 per bowler per week for a 30 team league, other league is also a 30 team league and for that I receive .30 for secretary only, treasurer gets .20. It really depends upon what type the league is and size, fun night, money type or big buck money type. The bigger the league and prize fund the more work that has to be done so the price should be according to type of league.

[Leslie Kidwell]

I get 25 cents for Secretary... 20 cents for treasurer.... They seperate it since years ago two people did the work

[MotorMike13]

I am Secretary on two fall/winter leagues... the Sec./tres. fee on one.. (20 teams) is $.50 per bowler per night.. and on the other (12 teams) is $.44 per night, So I guess I'm a bit over paid. LOL

[Linda Crane]

In most of the houses in NY there is only a Sec'y/Treasurer since the house does most of the work he or she does both jobs and he or she earns .50 per bowler.

[Terry E Brantley]

I have been the secretary/treasurer of a mixed league for 6 years. The league bowls for 34 weeks on Friday night in Montgomery Alabama. The league use to have about 20 teams, but lately we're down to about 12 teams, mainly due to people having other things to do on Fridays. When I took over as secretary/treasurer, the rate was $.50 per person, per nite. The previous sec/treas resigned suddenly at the beginning of that year, so I was "voted" in. I bought BLS when I took over and have upgraded each year since. I collect all monies, pay the house lineage and sanctions, and maintain the standing sheet, awards, and averages.
I enjoy my work, except it is a little hectic the first couple of nites and end of season. Since I do all of the work, and print off the standing sheets, awards, etc., I think that the $.50 fee is reasonable.

[Keith Chambers]

For Lance,
Regarding the TNBA, you already know that it would! I brought the subject to your attention almost three years ago. I am looking forward to the change that will allow me to print the TNBA forms directly from the program, and, hopefully, not have to input them as local awards every year.

For Angel,
Yes, I bowl at Admiral Robinson. We enjoyed hosting the State and were very pleased with the participation. I especially enjoyed seeing the high scores shot by the young bowlers. We do regret that there was some confusion over which gate to use and that the map the State used on their website was not that great.

[Lance Rasmussen]

We were approached by the board of TNBA directly this year to be their choice of league software for use within the organization and since BLS-2007 will now support TNBA award and membership applications, I think you will find your job easier.

[Skip Horner]

Thanks, everyone. Guess I'm a little underpaid. But, I get a lot more than the average secretary in my center (average is 18 cents or so), but those secretaries rely on the center to do their standings, etc. I don't trust the center in that respect because I know how bad the BOSS software is.

[Angel Zobel-Rodriguez]

A lot of what secretaries do is regional. Here, the houses almost all handle the league sheets and collect money at the front desk. And nearly everyone uses house banking. Heck one of the centers actually goes lane to lane to collect the fees. The leagues are nearly all "house" leagues where the center makes the calls and makes sure the teams are filled.

People here think I do a lot, but I just think it's what needs to be done (sheets, awards, verifying prize fund gets deposited correctly, etc., handling the league-end party).

Like I said before, I do it for free for the A/J leagues because I really believe they're the future of bowling. For the Sport league, it's because it's just no bother, they're really just there to bowl. If I had one of those leagues that had a meeting every week to protest something, I might start to feel differently.

[mikewhite]

Angel

I charge a flat fee of $15 per person on the team roster for the winter session & $7 for summer session no matter the size of the league. Understand that I bank outside of the center, print all sheets on my own, keep a website (although it is kinda lacking lately as I have moved back to San Marcos), & run a most valuable bowler spreadsheet. My wife chatges the Vegas league $5 flat fee only because she is an employee of the center and thats the max they will let her. SHe does the youth leagues as part of her job as youth director.

[Frederick Brace, PA-C]

I am Sect/Treas for a 24 team mixed league that pays $0.50 per bowler per night. The league pays for a ream of paper and a inkjet cartridge at the start of each season. I buy my own software upgrades.

In reference to the 50/50, we always had problems with motivating team members to "sell tickets." On week it could be a $80 split and the next week it could be $26 split. We never were able to have a designated "person."

Last year we voted $1.00 additional to the weekly league fees for all bowlers. A single 50/50 ticket for each bowler goes in each team envelope each week. The centers desk person pulls a number and the winner gets $48 and the 50/50 fund gets the same each week. My bowlers love this way!!!

Fred Brace, Dover, DE
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